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Proposition: Julian Slive (A.D. Henderson School (FAU)) vs. Opposition: Emme Davis (Waterman Elementary School)

Judge: David Kane (Binghamton University)

Resolution: Finals Week: Kids should get to set their own bedtimes.

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    Julian Slive
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    Emme Davis
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    Posted at June 1, 2020 06:46:02PM EST by Julian Slive

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    https://www.fatherly.com/parenting/kids-determine-sleep-schedule-peaceful-bedtime-routine/

    https://happinessishereblog.com/8-reasons-not-to-give-kids-a-bedtime/

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/dont-tell-the-kids-but-bedtime-is-a-social-construct/

    Posted at June 2, 2020 05:57:29PM EST by Emme Davis

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    https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/letting-your-children-pick-their-own-bedtime-is-terrible-for-them-and-for-you

    https://mom.com/toddler/123205-actually-your-kids-do-need-bedtime

    https://www.webmd.com/parenting/childs-bedtime

    https://www.sleepfoundation.org/articles/plan-ahead-start-back-school-bedtime-routines-now

    https://www.npr.org/2013/12/16/251462015/why-a-regular-bedtime-is-important-for-children



    https://www.fatherly.com/parenting/kids-determine-sleep-schedule-peaceful-bedtime-routine/

    Posted at June 3, 2020 06:26:09PM EST by Julian Slive

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    https://ouraring.com/circadian-rhythms-bedtime

    https://www.stress.org/stress-and-sleep-how-to-master-stress-and-enjoy-restful-sleep-instantly



    https://www.webmd.com/children/qa/what-are-signs-of-sleep-problems-in-children


    https://happinessishereblog.com/8-reasons-not-to-give-kids-a-bedtime/

    https://www.nationwidechildrens.org/specialties/sleep-disorder-center/bedtime-problems



    Posted at June 4, 2020 10:09:04PM EST by Emme Davis

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    His sources that I cite:

    https://ouraring.com/circadian-rhythms-bedtime

    https://www.stress.org/stress-and-sleep-how-to-master-stress-and-enjoy-restful-sleep-instantly


    https://www.webmd.com/children/qa/what-are-signs-of-sleep-problems-in-children

    https://happinessishereblog.com/8-reasons-not-to-give-kids-a-bedtime/

    https://www.nationwidechildrens.org/specialties/sleep-disorder-center/bedtime-problems

    My sources:

    https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/letting-your-children-pick-their-own-bedtime-is-terrible-for-them-and-for-you

    https://mom.com/toddler/123205-actually-your-kids-do-need-bedtime

    https://www.webmd.com/parenting/childs-bedtime

    https://www.sleepfoundation.org/articles/plan-ahead-start-back-school-bedtime-routines-now

    https://www.npr.org/2013/12/16/251462015/why-a-regular-bedtime-is-important-for-children

    Posted at June 5, 2020 08:20:45PM EST by Julian Slive

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    Submitted at June 8, 2020 02:53:54PM EST by David Kane

    Category Julian Slive Emme Davis
    Use of evidence: 3.5 4.5
    Delivery skill: 4 4
    Coherence of arguments: 4 4
    Responsiveness to opponent: 3 4.5
    Identification of key points: 4 4
    Comments: While I am not a fan of the most extremes of fast debate talkers, there are some really fast folks out there. Take a look at https://www.wired.com/video/watch/high-school-debate-at-350-wpm

    Your opponent was fast, but she was within the realm of speed that I have heard from other debaters, and I don't think she was manipulating her video. In this format, where you can record the video on your own time, a strategy you can use to combat speed is to prepare your response, and then practice it so that you can improve your own speed.

    Be careful about undermining your arguments in your last rebuttal. You said in your last speech, "when parents involve kids in decision-making." That is effectively an opposition argument, since it suggests that the parents are the decision-makers, and kids are just providing input.
    I thought your speed was fine. There are certainly very, very fast debaters out there, and as a judge I don't really like debates that go so fast that I need to reread the speech to have any idea what was said. However, you aren't close to that threshold.

    I thought your overall debate was strong. I did notice a couple things that while the particulars don't matter so much, I wanted to pass them along so you can look for similar opportunities in the future.

    Keep an eye out for assumptions your opponents are making. E.g. the proposition seemed to imply that adults making good decisions about when, how and how much sleep to get, but there are many studies out there that show they don't.

    Your opponent also seemed to be making an argument not just that kids should be setting their bedtimes, but that they should not have a bed time at all. There may have been some space to critique that aspect.



    The decision is for the Opposition: Emme Davis

    Reason for Decision:

    Thank you for the debate.

    There were several cross-cutting arguments in this debate, and those broke for the opposition.

    * The proposition framed this debate about "forcing kids to sleep", but the opposition's framing of "setting a bedtime" was better aligned with the topic for the debate. That bypassed some of the discussion about circadian rhythms. (i.e the proposition never established why -- aside from kids arguing -- what harms are caused by having a bedtime before your body is ready to sleep )

    * There was clash about the quality of evidence. I thought the opposition's critique of the couple success examples from the proposition constructive was valid. The proposition never did provide broad-based evidence that this practice was an effective one. There was an proposition critique of the opposition's sources, but the kinds of websites were similar in both sides.

    * The proposition never did answer the opposition's question about why setting a bedtime is different from other guidelines parents establish for kids ( e.g. eating vegetables )

    For the record, I don't think speeds were manipulated. That aspect was not a factor in the decision.


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