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Proposition: Emme Davis (Waterman Elementary School) vs. Opposition: Tabby Byron (Unaffiliated)

Judge: Frank Irizarry (Suffolk University)

Resolution: Finals Week: Kids should get to set their own bedtimes.

  • Emme Davis
    Emme Davis
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    Tabby Byron
    Tabby Byron
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    Posted at June 1, 2020 06:06:25PM EST by Emme Davis

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    https://www.rchsd.org/2019/12/seven-steps-to-teaching-children-body-autonomy/

    https://happinessishereblog.com/8-reasons-not-to-give-kids-a-bedtime/

    https://www.courant.com/hc-xpm-2012-04-11-hc-bed-times-parenting-rosemond-20120411-story.html

    Posted at June 2, 2020 05:57:43PM EST by Tabby Byron

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    I can't access courant.com in my country, so I couldn't see that source, Emme.

    https://happinessishereblog.com/work-with-me/

    McGlinchey, E.L., Harvey, A.G. Risk Behaviors and Negative Health Outcomes for Adolescents with Late Bedtimes. J Youth Adolescence 44, 478–488 (2015). https://doi.org/10.1007/s10964-014-0110-2

    Ilona Merikanto, Tuuli Lahti, Riikka Puusniekka, Timo Partonen, Late bedtimes weaken school performance and predispose adolescents to health hazards, Sleep Medicine, Volume 14, Issue 11, 2013, Pages 1105-1111, ISSN 1389-9457, https://doi.org/10.1016/j.sleep.2013.06.009.

    James E. Gangwisch, PhD, Lindsay A. Babiss, BA, Dolores Malaspina, MD, Blake J. Turner, PhD, Gary K. Zammit, PhD, Kelly Posner, PhD, Earlier Parental Set Bedtimes as a Protective Factor Against Depression and Suicidal Ideation, Sleep, Volume 33, Issue 1, January 2010, Pages 97–106, https://doi.org/10.1093/sleep/33.1.97

    Lauren D. Asarnow, Eleanor McGlinchey, Allison G. Harvey,
    The Effects of Bedtime and Sleep Duration on Academic and Emotional Outcomes in a Nationally Representative Sample of Adolescents, Journal of Adolescent Health, Volume 54, Issue 3, 2014, Pages 350-356, ISSN 1054-139X, https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jadohealth.2013.09.004.

    Michelle A. Short, BBehavSci(Hons), Michael Gradisar, PhD, Helen Wright, PhD, Leon C. Lack, PhD, Hayley Dohnt, PhD, Mary A. Carskadon, PhD, Time for Bed: Parent-Set Bedtimes Associated with Improved Sleep and Daytime Functioning in Adolescents, Sleep, Volume 34, Issue 6, 1 June 2011, Pages 797–800, https://doi.org/10.5665/SLEEP.1052

    Posted at June 3, 2020 09:32:29PM EST by Emme Davis

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    https://www.rchsd.org/2019/12/seven-steps-to-teaching-children-body-autonomy/

    https://happinessishereblog.com/8-reasons-not-to-give-kids-a-bedtime/

    https://www.courant.com/hc-xpm-2012-04-11-hc-bed-times-parenting-rosemond-20120411-story.html

    https://edition.cnn.com/2018/01/05/health/baby-bedtimes-parenting-without-borders-explainer-intl/index.html

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/dont-tell-the-kids-but-bedtime-is-a-social-construct/

    Posted at June 4, 2020 07:02:52PM EST by Tabby Byron

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    https://happinessishereblog.com/work-with-me/

    McGlinchey, E.L., Harvey, A.G. Risk Behaviors and Negative Health Outcomes for Adolescents with Late Bedtimes. J Youth Adolescence 44, 478–488 (2015). https://doi.org/10.1007/s10964-014-0110-2

    Ilona Merikanto, Tuuli Lahti, Riikka Puusniekka, Timo Partonen, Late bedtimes weaken school performance and predispose adolescents to health hazards, Sleep Medicine, Volume 14, Issue 11, 2013, Pages 1105-1111, ISSN 1389-9457, https://doi.org/10.1016/j.sleep.2013.06.009.

    James E. Gangwisch, PhD, Lindsay A. Babiss, BA, Dolores Malaspina, MD, Blake J. Turner, PhD, Gary K. Zammit, PhD, Kelly Posner, PhD, Earlier Parental Set Bedtimes as a Protective Factor Against Depression and Suicidal Ideation, Sleep, Volume 33, Issue 1, January 2010, Pages 97–106, https://doi.org/10.1093/sleep/33.1.97

    Lauren D. Asarnow, Eleanor McGlinchey, Allison G. Harvey,
    The Effects of Bedtime and Sleep Duration on Academic and Emotional Outcomes in a Nationally Representative Sample of Adolescents, Journal of Adolescent Health, Volume 54, Issue 3, 2014, Pages 350-356, ISSN 1054-139X, https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jadohealth.2013.09.004.

    Michelle A. Short, BBehavSci(Hons), Michael Gradisar, PhD, Helen Wright, PhD, Leon C. Lack, PhD, Hayley Dohnt, PhD, Mary A. Carskadon, PhD, Time for Bed: Parent-Set Bedtimes Associated with Improved Sleep and Daytime Functioning in Adolescents, Sleep, Volume 34, Issue 6, 1 June 2011, Pages 797–800, https://doi.org/10.5665/SLEEP.1052

    https://edition.cnn.com/2018/01/05/health/baby-bedtimes-parenting-without-borders-explainer-intl/index.html

    Mindell JA, Sadeh A, Kwon R, Goh DY. Cross-cultural differences in the sleep of preschool children [published correction appears in Sleep Med. 2014 Dec;15(12):1595-6]. Sleep Med. 2013;14(12):1283‐1289. doi:10.1016/j.sleep.2013.09.002

    Posted at June 5, 2020 02:09:13PM EST by Emme Davis

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    Tabby's sources that I mention:

    Michelle A. Short, BBehavSci(Hons), Michael Gradisar, PhD, Helen Wright, PhD, Leon C. Lack, PhD, Hayley Dohnt, PhD, Mary A. Carskadon, PhD, Time for Bed: Parent-Set Bedtimes Associated with Improved Sleep and Daytime Functioning in Adolescents, Sleep, Volume 34, Issue 6, 1 June 2011, Pages 797–800, https://doi.org/10.5665/SLEEP.1052

    Mindell JA, Sadeh A, Kwon R, Goh DY. Cross-cultural differences in the sleep of preschool children [published correction appears in Sleep Med. 2014 Dec;15(12):1595-6]. Sleep Med. 2013;14(12):1283‐1289. doi:10.1016/j.sleep.2013.09.002

    My sources:

    https://www.rchsd.org/2019/12/seven-steps-to-teaching-children-body-autonomy/

    https://happinessishereblog.com/8-reasons-not-to-give-kids-a-bedtime/

    https://www.courant.com/hc-xpm-2012-04-11-hc-bed-times-parenting-rosemond-20120411-story.html

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/dont-tell-the-kids-but-bedtime-is-a-social-construct/

    Status

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    Submitted at June 5, 2020 03:15:26PM EST by Frank Irizarry

    Category Emme Davis Tabby Byron
    Use of evidence: 5.9 5.7
    Delivery skill: 5.6 5.4
    Coherence of arguments: 6 5.6
    Responsiveness to opponent: 6 5.5
    Identification of key points: 6 5.8
    Comments: Excellent job Emme. This was the second time I had the privilege to judge you in this tournament and you were extremely impressive both times. You certainly deserved to be debating in the finals.

    Your speed and more important, your clarity is far beyond debaters your age. I am completely honest when I say I think you could be competitive debating students twice your age.

    While good debaters at your level can make and respond well to arguments, very few can see the relationship between different arguments in the debate. They see the debate as a collection of little pictures but you see the bigger picture and that is something that sets you apart from other debaters at your age and experience level.

    Emme, you are the best debater I've ever seen at your age and I have been involved in debate as a debater/coach/judge for more than 30 years. I have absoluetly no doubt that if you stick with this you can be an excelkent middle school, high school and college debater.
    Great job Tabby. You were certainly worthy of making it to finals week to debate against an excellent opponent.

    I know Emme is quick and makes a lot of arguments but you have good word economy and you are efficient in your delivery. I do think you need to pay closer attention to the time in the debate. Emme doesn't bring it up but you do go over by a minute in your first speech and 43 seconds in your last speech.

    You are an excellent debater and if you stick with the activity I think you can have a lot of fun and a lot of success. I'll talk about the specific arguments below.

    The decision is for the Proposition: Emme Davis

    Reason for Decision:

    This was a very good and a very close debate. The best opportunity the negative had to win this debate was the argument on the third point about kids that go to bed late suffer from depression, do poorly in school, suffer headaches, etc... This is an argument the Opposition has to win in order to win the debate and I think the Proposition does enough on this point to win this argument.

    For me, the debate comes down to the Proposition Rebuttal and the Opposition Rebuttal & Closing. The Proposition Rebuttal might have been the single best speech I've heard in any of the debates I've judged in the last four weeks. Emme does a great job of identifying Tabby's strongest argument and has some stellar responses:
    1) The issue surrounding the causality of the study that Tabby cites. Maybe kids are getting less sleep because they are depressed. I would have to imagine the study discusses this but the argument is made in the debate and I don't think Tabby does enough to prove the causal relationship is on her side.
    2) The NSF and CNN evidence on variable bedtimes as well as bedtimes for children in India seem to disprove some of this argument.
    3) Emme provides a counterweight by contending her arguments, particularly the bodily autonomy argument outweigh. This is important in a debate because you always want to tell a judge not just why you win your argument but why your argument is more important than your opponents argument.

    I think you make a great effort in your PRC Tabby but you are just a little behind on this argument. Also, you are a little behind on the 4th argument Emme makes regarding kids don't go to sleep and just lay in bed which also seems to be another possible cause for the impacts that you illustrate.

    Lastly, I think you want to pay more attention to Emme's bodily autonomy argument in your Proposition Constructive. You spend some more time on this in your ORC speech but by then I think Emme is winning that argument.

    Like I said to both of you, you should both be proud of yourselves because you both did an EXCELLENT job in this debate and through this entire tournament. I'm really proud of both of you and I hope to see you BOTH debating in other tournaments down the road.


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