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Proposition: Ian Chung (Vestal Middle School) vs. Opposition: Zoella Lin (Lexington High School)

Judge: Arturo Feliz (Colegio Bilingüe New Horizons)

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  • Ian Chung
    Ian Chung
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    Zoella Lin
    Zoella Lin
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    Posted at May 25, 2020 01:15:12PM EST by Ian Chung

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    https://www.nber.org/papers/w23498

    https://buildingmarkets.org/sites/default/files/pdm_reports/another_side_to_the_story_a_market_assessment_of_syrian_smes_in_turkey.pdf

    http://cep.lse.ac.uk/_new/publications/abstract.asp?index=5509

    https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/The-Labor-Market-Impact-on-Refugees-Evidence-form-the-U.S.-Resettlement-Program-1.pdf

    http://repec.iza.org/dp8924.pdf

    https://voxeu.org/article/how-immigrants-and-job-mobility-help-low-skilled-workers

    Posted at May 26, 2020 12:21:11AM EST by Zoella Lin

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    Speech Document: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1k_stiPBd1vld3wPePUB7VyEm9V8Oo7NV

    Posted at May 27, 2020 12:34:23PM EST by Ian Chung

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    https://fas.org/sgp/crs/homesec/R45020.pdf

    https://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/how_diversity_makes_us_smarter

    https://www.lexisnexis.com/practiceareas/immigration/pdfs/web543.pdf

    https://www.cgdev.org/blog/what-mariel-boatlift-cuban-refugees-can-teach-us-about-economics-immigration

    https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2017/6/23/15855342/immigrants-wages-trump-economics-mariel-boatlift-hispanic-cuban

    (Catalina Amuedo-Dorantes, Professor and Chair of the Department of Economics at San Diego
    State University, Research Fellow at CReAM, FEDEA and IZA, Advisory Committee Member of
    the Americas Center Advisory Council at the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta, Francesca
    Mazzolari, David L. Leal, Editing the Book, Stephen J. Trejo, Editing the Book, “Latinos and the
    Economy: Integration and Impact in Schools, Labor Markets, and Beyond”, Book, 12/7/10,
    accessed 10/2/18, https://www.springer.com/us/book/9781441966810)

    (John Villasenor is a nonresident senior fellow in
    Governance Studies and the Center for Technology Innovation at Brookings. He is also a
    professor of electrical engineering, public policy, and management, and a visiting professor of
    law, at the University of California, Los Angeles, a member of the World Economic Forum’s
    Global Agenda Council on Cybersecurity, and a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. His
    work addresses the intersection of technology, policy and law. “Blocking remittances harms
    financial inclusion”, Brookings Institute, 4/11/16, accessed 9/25/18,
    https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2016/04/11/blocking-remittances-harms-financial-
    inclusion/)

    (Emily Breslin and John Hartnett, community managers and CEO, respectively, of THRIVE
    AgTech, which works to connect tech companies and investors with agricultural companies to
    meet the global food demands of the future. “With Farm Labor Getting Scarcer, Big U.S. Farms
    Are Preparing To Turn To Robots” Published Mar 2, 2017, Accessed 8.4.18,
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/currentaccounts/2017/03/02/with-farm-labor-getting-scarcer-
    big-u-s-farms-are-preparing-to-turn-to-robots/#6a79eec97bb6 )

    (Alfredo Corchado, Border-Mexico correspondent, “Even as Trump tightens immigration, the
    U.S. labor shortage is becoming a crisis,” MAY 17, 2018, Accessed 9.23.18,
    https://www.dallasnews.com/news/immigration/2018/05/17/even-trump-tightens-
    immigration-us-labor-shortage-becoming-crisis )

    Posted at May 28, 2020 11:54:20AM EST by Zoella Lin

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    The speech starts around the 3 minute mark, but I ask of you, please watch all of it.

    Script: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RTLYL_bpYCcvJk9hM3NovVSGFltJvhE1/view?usp=sharing

    Posted at May 29, 2020 11:30:44AM EST by Ian Chung

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    (Catalina Amuedo-Dorantes, Professor and Chair of the Department of Economics at San Diego
    State University, Research Fellow at CReAM, FEDEA and IZA, Advisory Committee Member of
    the Americas Center Advisory Council at the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta, Francesca
    Mazzolari, David L. Leal, Editing the Book, Stephen J. Trejo, Editing the Book, “Latinos and the
    Economy: Integration and Impact in Schools, Labor Markets, and Beyond”, Book, 12/7/10,
    accessed 10/2/18, https://www.springer.com/us/book/9781441966810)

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    Submitted at May 29, 2020 04:19:42PM EST by Arturo Feliz

    Category Ian Chung Zoella Lin
    Use of evidence: 5 5
    Delivery skill: 5 5
    Coherence of arguments: 5 5
    Responsiveness to opponent: 5 5
    Identification of key points: 5 5
    Comments: Ian You're an excellent speaker. I think you're also very smart. You use evidence very well in supporting your arguments, and I very much like when you grant and concede what makes sense.

    I dislike when debaters feel they have to affirm it all, and concede not those things that are logically against their case.

    I liked your defense. You knew wha to defend (path to residency, alt-right+Nazi claims, agricultural innovation, etc.)

    Your economic+path to legal residence arguments seem to be the core of your case, as I flow it.

    I think that in regards to Zoella claims of misgendering you need to be careful. I do buy your apology but I'm not sure that you necessarily understood the point. I see that it is a cultural difference, but it is important that you educate yourself in this increasingly problematic issue in the debate community.

    Zoella You're a great debater. I really enjoyed your style. You could slow down a little bit more to my taste but I appreciate that you were adjusting. I could sense that you were adapting to me and I think that's a trait of great debaters.

    I think your choice of framework is smart. It's not really a variation of the proposition's argument. It's a challenge.

    I think your arguments are fresh and creative and I always enjoy that. I think you should definitely keep bringing those fresh, out-of-the-box arguments because that will win you a lot of rounds.

    I really enjoyed your alt-right, Nazi, South African arguments. I had a lot of fun flowing them. I think in the end I took your parole, agriculture innovation, and remittence arguments more seriously. Those are the ones that I bought the most.

    I wholeheartedly apologize to you in everyone's names if you felt misgendering violence. I will not claim to understand your anxiety and personal struggle, but you should know that I will always stop violent speech, and disrespect. I think everyone's entitled to respect and you have mine as a human being.

    The decision is for the Proposition: Ian Chung

    Reason for Decision:

    RFD I think that before I even get into the round I need to decide on the misgendering claim. I do acknowledge that it happened, and for that I add my apology to that of Ian.

    A few observations:

    FIRST Ian I think that after Zoella's claim you should have moved to at least gender neutral language and not assume a pronoun if it has not been clearly specified. You may have made worse what was already bad.

    SECOND Zoella Ian makes a couple of legitimate claims.

    A. No one should be punished without having a change to prove their innocence. This is a universal legal principle that I have to grant.

    B. I have to assume the lack of bad faith, unless I have reason to believe otherwise.

    C. I buy the sincerity of the apology, even if I do feel Ian may have continued to do it, without being aware.

    D. I do believe that you should let everyone know of your preferred pronouns before round and in your profile to avoid this from happening. I am not putting blame on you, but I do feel that making it clear would help educate us all. I feel that a claim at the point it was made may jeopardize a legitimate right to self defend.

    E. I also believe that in embracing diversity we should understand that different cultures have different degrees of awareness about certain issues, and to ignore that would be to discriminate against those communities or a priori condemn them for not understanding or sharing our values, which makes this a very touchy issue.

    With that said. I move to:

    A. Ask Ian to educate himself a bit more on this issue
    B. Accept the claim BUT reject deciding the round on these grounds, but rather on the arguments being made.

    I have to decide between two frameworks. Proposition offers ”Better at protecting as many people’s rights as possible, Zoella proposes ”better strategy and solvency”

    I think the round comes down to the following arguments that I buy:

    1.- Economic
    2.-Path to legal residence
    3.-Parole
    4.-Innovation - Agriculture
    5.-Remittences

    I feel that Ian wins the economic and path to residence arguments. The parole argument is a bit lost to me. I fail to see the actual impact. The Innovation argument is very interesting and I like it. In the end it feels like a wash to me. I feel that Zoella ends up winning remittances, but with a bite taken off with Ian’s argument about family reunification.

    I thank you both for the best round I’ve flowed so far. I was incredibly close.


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