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Proposition: Hank De Hoyos (Winston Churchill High School) vs. Opposition: Sam Burns (Santa Clara University)

Judge: Frank Santos (Binghamton University)

Resolution: This house believes that prisons should be abolished

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    Posted at April 20, 2015 11:47:01PM EST by Hank De Hoyos

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    Prisons AC
    Prisons exploit people from bad backgrounds
    Greenstreet 14
    Stuart Greenstreet earned his living as a business manager and writer before taking up philosophy at Birkbeck College, London. After graduating from the Open University he did further philosophy at the University of Sussex.
    https://philosophynow.org/issues/102/Prison_Doesnt_Work
    Prison doesnt work. Theories about the punishment of lawbreakers fail in practice because they disregard the real conditions of peoples lives. The apparatus of criminal justice exists to secure a society in which everyone is free to do pretty well as they wish so long as they dont inhibit others from doing as they wish provided, that is, that we all obey the law. Nevertheless, prison does not work for the great majority of offenders because all the evidence shows that far from cutting the level of crime, prison actually increases it. I display some facts about offenders lives in the panels below. They are from a report called Reducing Re-offending by Ex-prisoners (2002) prepared by the Social Exclusion Unit (SEU) of the British government, but the pattern is similar all over the Western world. The SEUs research helps us to see why most criminals go on offending again and again. The empirical evidence it offers supports the hypothesis that entrenched criminal habits are strongly associated with the worst kinds of upbringing. The typical prisoner seen in the SEUs data was raised in a family used to crime and imprisonment. His school life was ruined by truanting, exclusion and being taken into care. (95% of the UKs prison population of 94,000 is male.) He is too illiterate and innumerate for all but the most menial employment. His bad state of mental and physical health is aggravated by addiction to drugs or alcohol or both. He is poor, dependent on state benefits, and constantly in debt. He has no settled home-life. Here is the SEUs own conclusion: Many of those in prison come from the most socially excluded groups in society. Many will have grown up in backgrounds where serious violence, drug and alcohol abuse are commonplace experiences. Few may have known the security of a stable home or done well at school. Crime may be seen as a survival strategy, as inevitable, or the only means of getting the things that others have. (para.11.1) In large measure, then, prisoners are more sinned against than sinning. Is it right that they alone should be held responsible for offences they would probably not have committed but for their bad luck of being born into the kind of circumstances that dispose men to crime? If an offender is not ultimately responsible for the way he is, perhaps he shouldnt be jailed for what he does. But are character traits immutable? Perhaps someone with a bad moral trait should respond to reasons to change should see why that trait is spoiling his life. But how realistic is it to expect hardened re-offenders to go straight? They were brought up in poverty and chaos, starved alike of love, order and discipline, some even mentally scarred by violence and sexual abuse. Recall the SEUs conclusion: a career of crime is their survival strategy, or they see it as inevitable. Maybe these men in many cases really are incapable of change. Two out of three offenders are reconvicted within two years; each released prisoner who gets reconvicted commits at least five crimes while he is free. Do we need more evidence of this widespread incapacity? A childhood of abuse and neglect can leave a person psychologically damaged to such an extent that it is nave to hold them morally responsible for their traits, or expect them to change their ways. Ill nurture tends to predispose men to crime, and imprisonment to make them persist in it. The SEU found that having a job, a home and a stable family are strongly associated with reducing the likelihood of ex-prisoners re-offending, and that a jail sentence actually weakens these protective factors: Too often a prison sentence does not cure the causes of crime, but aggravates them. Instead of helping prisoners to connect with jobs and become included in society again, it can take away the employment, housing and family links, and leave prisoners virtually destitute, on the road back to prison. (para. 16.2) One ex-prisoner told the SEU, Its true what they say: your sentence begins the day you get out. Its not irrational for a destitute prison-leaver to choose to return to crime if it is his only survival strategy.
    Prisoners face hardships before and after conviction
    Data is from the United Kingdom and a study completed in 2014
    Family Background of Convicted Prisoners Prisoners are far more likely than the general population to have grown up in care, poverty, or an otherwise disadvantaged situation. Compared with men and women in the general population, prisoners were: 4 times more likely to have run away from home as a child. 13 times more likely to have been taken into care as a child. 2.5 times more likely to have a family member convicted of a criminal offence. The latter two characteristics interact. Around 125,000 children in Britain are affected by imprisonment each year. Many are taken into care, fostered, or adopted as a result of a parents imprisonment, and this increases the likelihood of their becoming offenders themselves. Nearly half of all prisoners say that they have lost contact with their families since entering prison. Many are sent to prisons far from their homes.
    Education and Employment of Convicted Prisoners Most prisoners have had their experience of school disrupted by truanting and exclusion, and leave school at the first opportunity, with no qualifications. Compared with the general population, convicted prisoners were: 10 times more likely to have been a regular truant. Nearly 25 times more likely to have been excluded from school. Nearly 3 times more likely to have left school at sixteen or younger. Nearly 4 times more likely to have left school with no qualifications. 23% of male and 11% of female prisoners attended a special school compared to only one per cent of the general population. 48% of prisoners have a lower level of reading ability than an 11-year-old; 65% have lower numeracy skills; and 82% have lower writing skills. Low skills feed into low employability: only half of prisoners have the reading skills, less than one-third the numeracy, and one-fifth the writing skills necessary for 96% of all jobs. Employment reduces the risk of re-offending by between a third and a half. But two-thirds of prisoners arrive in prison from unemployment. Unemployment in the general population is normally between 5% to 8%. Among prisoners (in the 4 weeks before imprisonment) it is 67%. The same proportion have never experienced regular employment or having a job that was really worth having. Over one in seven say that they have never had a job at all.
    Public Indifference and Drugs/Alcohol create make for horrible prison conditions
    Rothenberg 14
    http://jewishcurrents.org/prisons-dont-work-33197
    David Rothenberg is the author of Fortune in My Eyes: A Memoir of Broadway Glamour, Social Justice, and Political Passion. In 1967, he produced Fortune and Mens Eyes, an Off-Broadway play that led him to found the Fortune Society as a self-help group for those released from prison. His radio show, Any Saturday, can be heard Saturdays on WBAI from 8 to 10 a.m.
    THERE ARE TWO MAIN REASONS WHY PRISONS DONT WORK: public indifference and cruelly wasted time. For the most part, the public doesnt care about rehabilitation, but about sending the bad guys away and punishing them for their evil deeds. Weve seen these offenders on endless television crime shows, which identify them by their crimes and rarely reveal any other facet of their being. While 98 percent of the people we incarcerate will return to society, our preoccupation is with sending them off to be punished, without regard for their emotional and psychological condition. The result is a recidivism rate of nearly two thirds within three years. Our society pays a heavy price for this failure: With more than one out of a hundred adult Americans imprisoned at any given moment (the highest rate in the world), at an annual cost of close to $30,000 per prisoner, our prison system is one of the most expensive failures in history. MANY INMATES TODAY have severe drug problems. The 1300 percent increase in the state prison incarceration rate since 1980 is largely attributable, after all, to the War on Drugs. Yet prisons hardly deal with the reasons people turned to drugs, much less to crime. There are scattered programs inside, but hour-long activities with outside volunteers once a week can hardly undo the damage of a mind-numbing, often violent prison ambiance. Drugs and alcohol are, in fact, readily available in most prisons, and many inmates endure, as they endured outside, by getting high. Let me cite some examples of men and women Ive met who have shaken their addictions but still have deep wounds from their time in prison. As residents of The Fortune Societys Fortune Academy (known as The Castle), a haven for homeless former prisoners, they are among the many who are fighting to reclaim their lives. Thomas Jones home was dysfunctional, to say the least: His mother was going mad and his father had started another family. At the age of 7, Thomas began hustling and stealing for food and lodging. He was locked up at 10, which began a pattern that lasted for the next twenty-five years. Getting high was his way of surviving. Thomas never went to school, and by the time he arrived in prison as an adult, he was addicted and illiterate. Nevertheless, with the few dollars he earned performing menial prison tasks, he bought himself a dictionary. With the help of another prisoner he began to teach himself to read. After his last stay on Rikers Island, he was sent to a public shelter, another institution that fails to break the cycle of addiction, incarceration, and homelessness. Finally, a social worker referred him to The Castle, where released prisoners have access to crisis intervention, needs assessment, counseling, various forms of housing, literacy training, GED preparation, employment services, outpatient substance abuse treatment, parenting classes, legal services, and healthy cooking and nutrition workshops. With access to all of this and more, Thomas had an opportunity to confront his past and contemplate a future free of drugs, crime, and prison. After five years of study and training, he is now a counselor at Fortune, helping newly released prisoners with reentry and reintegration issues. He has his own apartment and is a useful, tax-paying member of society. Vilma Ortiz Donovan arrived at The Castle after her second state prison bid. Both of her arrests were drug-related. At The Castle, she says, she saw that fundamental change was possible if she was ready to do the hard work required: They created a place that allowed me to dig deep inside myself. With new insight and support, she found employment and her own apartment, and enrolled in college. The second half of her life promises to be much brighter than the first Casimiro Torres was turned over to the state at age 7. He was introduced to weed and wine at 10. Thats how I managed my pain, he says. Yet even as a homeless teenager, on drugs and stealing to survive, hed always carried a paperback book in his rear pocket; he dreamed of adventures and a heroic life. When I first met him at The Castle, he was sullen, unkempt, and suspicious. Slowly, he began to see the possibilities of something else. His physical posture changed. He began to take the time to comb his hair and shave. No one asked him to do that, but I was witness to a man discovering who and what he could be. Eight years later he is married, with a beautiful daughter, and holding a responsible job. He votes and is a taxpayer; he is a mentsh. If you met him now tall, handsome, self-confident you would never imagine Caz as I first saw him. MANY FORMER PRISONERS WANT TO CHANGE THEIR LIVES but havent a clue as to how. Ive walked the yards with all sorts of felons, says an old-timer, Bob Brown, who did twenty-eight straight years in New York prisons. Almost everyone, at some time in their life, is ready to chuck the crime-prison revolving door. The ones who make it are those who have someone or something to hold onto when they have that motivation. Walking the yards, marking time, and punishment for infractions, however, is mostly all that prisons offer. One ex-convict told me that to survive in prison, he had to continue the behaviors and crimes that were responsible for his incarceration. The terrible irony is that criminality becomes more deeply ingrained and subtle inside prison, where it is hidden and goes unreported. The underlying rage isnt dealt with, but is unleashed on an unsuspecting public when the prisoner is finally released. No one holds prisons accountable for the role they play in exacerbating this alienation and anger by piling punishment on top of punishment, including solitary confinement, which simply makes people go mad. Public skepticism about prison reform is understandable, and political leadership on the issue is sadly lacking. The media loves crime and sensationalism and hardly devotes any coverage to those men and women who do overcome and repudiate a lifetime of abuse and neglect. But I have been a witness for more than forty years to people who have slowly and quietly triumphed over their demons. I have experienced first-hand Dostoevskys observation that the degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons. And I know that we need to go back to the drawing board in terms of whom and how we arrest, convict, incarcerate, and rehabilitate. At the Fortune Society, people are not written off, dismissed, or judged entirely based on their negative pasts. As a result, I have seen miracles there. A priest visiting Fortune once remarked to me, This is where Jesus would hang out. I replied, And he might run into Moses.

    Posted at April 22, 2015 12:10:47AM EST by Sam Burns

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    James, Erwin. "The Norwegian Prison Where Inmates Are Treated like People." Prisons and Probation. The Guardian, 25 Feb. 2013. Web. 14 Apr. 2015. <http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fsociety%2F2013%2Ffeb%2F25%2Fnorwegian-prison-inmates-treated-like-people>.

    Posted at April 22, 2015 11:02:35PM EST by Hank De Hoyos

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    Prisons AC
    Prisons exploit people from bad backgrounds
    Greenstreet 14
    Stuart Greenstreet earned his living as a business manager and writer before taking up philosophy at Birkbeck College, London. After graduating from the Open University he did further philosophy at the University of Sussex.
    https://philosophynow.org/issues/102/Prison_Doesnt_Work
    Prison doesnt work. Theories about the punishment of lawbreakers fail in practice because they disregard the real conditions of peoples lives. The apparatus of criminal justice exists to secure a society in which everyone is free to do pretty well as they wish so long as they dont inhibit others from doing as they wish provided, that is, that we all obey the law. Nevertheless, prison does not work for the great majority of offenders because all the evidence shows that far from cutting the level of crime, prison actually increases it. I display some facts about offenders lives in the panels below. They are from a report called Reducing Re-offending by Ex-prisoners (2002) prepared by the Social Exclusion Unit (SEU) of the British government, but the pattern is similar all over the Western world. The SEUs research helps us to see why most criminals go on offending again and again. The empirical evidence it offers supports the hypothesis that entrenched criminal habits are strongly associated with the worst kinds of upbringing. The typical prisoner seen in the SEUs data was raised in a family used to crime and imprisonment. His school life was ruined by truanting, exclusion and being taken into care. (95% of the UKs prison population of 94,000 is male.) He is too illiterate and innumerate for all but the most menial employment. His bad state of mental and physical health is aggravated by addiction to drugs or alcohol or both. He is poor, dependent on state benefits, and constantly in debt. He has no settled home-life. Here is the SEUs own conclusion: Many of those in prison come from the most socially excluded groups in society. Many will have grown up in backgrounds where serious violence, drug and alcohol abuse are commonplace experiences. Few may have known the security of a stable home or done well at school. Crime may be seen as a survival strategy, as inevitable, or the only means of getting the things that others have. (para.11.1) In large measure, then, prisoners are more sinned against than sinning. Is it right that they alone should be held responsible for offences they would probably not have committed but for their bad luck of being born into the kind of circumstances that dispose men to crime? If an offender is not ultimately responsible for the way he is, perhaps he shouldnt be jailed for what he does. But are character traits immutable? Perhaps someone with a bad moral trait should respond to reasons to change should see why that trait is spoiling his life. But how realistic is it to expect hardened re-offenders to go straight? They were brought up in poverty and chaos, starved alike of love, order and discipline, some even mentally scarred by violence and sexual abuse. Recall the SEUs conclusion: a career of crime is their survival strategy, or they see it as inevitable. Maybe these men in many cases really are incapable of change. Two out of three offenders are reconvicted within two years; each released prisoner who gets reconvicted commits at least five crimes while he is free. Do we need more evidence of this widespread incapacity? A childhood of abuse and neglect can leave a person psychologically damaged to such an extent that it is nave to hold them morally responsible for their traits, or expect them to change their ways. Ill nurture tends to predispose men to crime, and imprisonment to make them persist in it. The SEU found that having a job, a home and a stable family are strongly associated with reducing the likelihood of ex-prisoners re-offending, and that a jail sentence actually weakens these protective factors: Too often a prison sentence does not cure the causes of crime, but aggravates them. Instead of helping prisoners to connect with jobs and become included in society again, it can take away the employment, housing and family links, and leave prisoners virtually destitute, on the road back to prison. (para. 16.2) One ex-prisoner told the SEU, Its true what they say: your sentence begins the day you get out. Its not irrational for a destitute prison-leaver to choose to return to crime if it is his only survival strategy.
    Prisoners face hardships before and after conviction
    Data is from the United Kingdom and a study completed in 2014
    Family Background of Convicted Prisoners Prisoners are far more likely than the general population to have grown up in care, poverty, or an otherwise disadvantaged situation. Compared with men and women in the general population, prisoners were: 4 times more likely to have run away from home as a child. 13 times more likely to have been taken into care as a child. 2.5 times more likely to have a family member convicted of a criminal offence. The latter two characteristics interact. Around 125,000 children in Britain are affected by imprisonment each year. Many are taken into care, fostered, or adopted as a result of a parents imprisonment, and this increases the likelihood of their becoming offenders themselves. Nearly half of all prisoners say that they have lost contact with their families since entering prison. Many are sent to prisons far from their homes.
    Education and Employment of Convicted Prisoners Most prisoners have had their experience of school disrupted by truanting and exclusion, and leave school at the first opportunity, with no qualifications. Compared with the general population, convicted prisoners were: 10 times more likely to have been a regular truant. Nearly 25 times more likely to have been excluded from school. Nearly 3 times more likely to have left school at sixteen or younger. Nearly 4 times more likely to have left school with no qualifications. 23% of male and 11% of female prisoners attended a special school compared to only one per cent of the general population. 48% of prisoners have a lower level of reading ability than an 11-year-old; 65% have lower numeracy skills; and 82% have lower writing skills. Low skills feed into low employability: only half of prisoners have the reading skills, less than one-third the numeracy, and one-fifth the writing skills necessary for 96% of all jobs. Employment reduces the risk of re-offending by between a third and a half. But two-thirds of prisoners arrive in prison from unemployment. Unemployment in the general population is normally between 5% to 8%. Among prisoners (in the 4 weeks before imprisonment) it is 67%. The same proportion have never experienced regular employment or having a job that was really worth having. Over one in seven say that they have never had a job at all.
    Public Indifference and Drugs/Alcohol create make for horrible prison conditions
    Rothenberg 14
    http://jewishcurrents.org/prisons-dont-work-33197
    David Rothenberg is the author of Fortune in My Eyes: A Memoir of Broadway Glamour, Social Justice, and Political Passion. In 1967, he produced Fortune and Mens Eyes, an Off-Broadway play that led him to found the Fortune Society as a self-help group for those released from prison. His radio show, Any Saturday, can be heard Saturdays on WBAI from 8 to 10 a.m.
    THERE ARE TWO MAIN REASONS WHY PRISONS DONT WORK: public indifference and cruelly wasted time. For the most part, the public doesnt care about rehabilitation, but about sending the bad guys away and punishing them for their evil deeds. Weve seen these offenders on endless television crime shows, which identify them by their crimes and rarely reveal any other facet of their being. While 98 percent of the people we incarcerate will return to society, our preoccupation is with sending them off to be punished, without regard for their emotional and psychological condition. The result is a recidivism rate of nearly two thirds within three years. Our society pays a heavy price for this failure: With more than one out of a hundred adult Americans imprisoned at any given moment (the highest rate in the world), at an annual cost of close to $30,000 per prisoner, our prison system is one of the most expensive failures in history. MANY INMATES TODAY have severe drug problems. The 1300 percent increase in the state prison incarceration rate since 1980 is largely attributable, after all, to the War on Drugs. Yet prisons hardly deal with the reasons people turned to drugs, much less to crime. There are scattered programs inside, but hour-long activities with outside volunteers once a week can hardly undo the damage of a mind-numbing, often violent prison ambiance. Drugs and alcohol are, in fact, readily available in most prisons, and many inmates endure, as they endured outside, by getting high. Let me cite some examples of men and women Ive met who have shaken their addictions but still have deep wounds from their time in prison. As residents of The Fortune Societys Fortune Academy (known as The Castle), a haven for homeless former prisoners, they are among the many who are fighting to reclaim their lives. Thomas Jones home was dysfunctional, to say the least: His mother was going mad and his father had started another family. At the age of 7, Thomas began hustling and stealing for food and lodging. He was locked up at 10, which began a pattern that lasted for the next twenty-five years. Getting high was his way of surviving. Thomas never went to school, and by the time he arrived in prison as an adult, he was addicted and illiterate. Nevertheless, with the few dollars he earned performing menial prison tasks, he bought himself a dictionary. With the help of another prisoner he began to teach himself to read. After his last stay on Rikers Island, he was sent to a public shelter, another institution that fails to break the cycle of addiction, incarceration, and homelessness. Finally, a social worker referred him to The Castle, where released prisoners have access to crisis intervention, needs assessment, counseling, various forms of housing, literacy training, GED preparation, employment services, outpatient substance abuse treatment, parenting classes, legal services, and healthy cooking and nutrition workshops. With access to all of this and more, Thomas had an opportunity to confront his past and contemplate a future free of drugs, crime, and prison. After five years of study and training, he is now a counselor at Fortune, helping newly released prisoners with reentry and reintegration issues. He has his own apartment and is a useful, tax-paying member of society. Vilma Ortiz Donovan arrived at The Castle after her second state prison bid. Both of her arrests were drug-related. At The Castle, she says, she saw that fundamental change was possible if she was ready to do the hard work required: They created a place that allowed me to dig deep inside myself. With new insight and support, she found employment and her own apartment, and enrolled in college. The second half of her life promises to be much brighter than the first Casimiro Torres was turned over to the state at age 7. He was introduced to weed and wine at 10. Thats how I managed my pain, he says. Yet even as a homeless teenager, on drugs and stealing to survive, hed always carried a paperback book in his rear pocket; he dreamed of adventures and a heroic life. When I first met him at The Castle, he was sullen, unkempt, and suspicious. Slowly, he began to see the possibilities of something else. His physical posture changed. He began to take the time to comb his hair and shave. No one asked him to do that, but I was witness to a man discovering who and what he could be. Eight years later he is married, with a beautiful daughter, and holding a responsible job. He votes and is a taxpayer; he is a mentsh. If you met him now tall, handsome, self-confident you would never imagine Caz as I first saw him. MANY FORMER PRISONERS WANT TO CHANGE THEIR LIVES but havent a clue as to how. Ive walked the yards with all sorts of felons, says an old-timer, Bob Brown, who did twenty-eight straight years in New York prisons. Almost everyone, at some time in their life, is ready to chuck the crime-prison revolving door. The ones who make it are those who have someone or something to hold onto when they have that motivation. Walking the yards, marking time, and punishment for infractions, however, is mostly all that prisons offer. One ex-convict told me that to survive in prison, he had to continue the behaviors and crimes that were responsible for his incarceration. The terrible irony is that criminality becomes more deeply ingrained and subtle inside prison, where it is hidden and goes unreported. The underlying rage isnt dealt with, but is unleashed on an unsuspecting public when the prisoner is finally released. No one holds prisons accountable for the role they play in exacerbating this alienation and anger by piling punishment on top of punishment, including solitary confinement, which simply makes people go mad. Public skepticism about prison reform is understandable, and political leadership on the issue is sadly lacking. The media loves crime and sensationalism and hardly devotes any coverage to those men and women who do overcome and repudiate a lifetime of abuse and neglect. But I have been a witness for more than forty years to people who have slowly and quietly triumphed over their demons. I have experienced first-hand Dostoevskys observation that the degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons. And I know that we need to go back to the drawing board in terms of whom and how we arrest, convict, incarcerate, and rehabilitate. At the Fortune Society, people are not written off, dismissed, or judged entirely based on their negative pasts. As a result, I have seen miracles there. A priest visiting Fortune once remarked to me, This is where Jesus would hang out. I replied, And he might run into Moses.

    Posted at April 24, 2015 12:19:25AM EST by Sam Burns

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    Norway: James, Erwin. "The Norwegian Prison Where Inmates Are Treated like People." Prisons and Probation. The Guardian, 25 Feb. 2013. Web. 14 Apr. 2015. <http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fsociety%2F2013%2Ffeb%2F25%2Fnorwegian-prison-inmates-treated-like-people>.

    Posted at April 25, 2015 01:04:11AM EST by Hank De Hoyos

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    Submitted at April 26, 2015 07:25:57PM EST by Frank Santos

    Category Hank De Hoyos Sam Burns
    Use of evidence: 3 5
    Delivery skill: 2.5 5.5
    Coherence of arguments: 3 5.5
    Responsiveness to opponent: 4 6
    Identification of key points: 3.5 5.5
    Comments: You always want to start your debate, especially as the proposition by laying out the terms of the resolution and how you are defining them. By not doing this, you are sacrificing one of the biggest advantages of the proposition which is to set the terms of the debate. Instead, Sam was able to put you on the defensive and build his own argument on his own terms instead of yours.

    I would strongly suggest rehearsing your speeches or even having them pre-written before recording. You lose track of where you are and spend valuable time trying to remember where you are in your argument.

    As your opponent points out, you make no case for an alternative to abolition, and are essentially advocating for mass chaos. Thus, it made the opposition obvious to vote for, even if he didn't necessarily have a great alternative himself.

    Again, I want to reiterate the importance of defining the terms of your argument. You don't want the judge to make inferences, you want them to know exactly what you are talking about, and how the opponent should be judged as well.
    You did much better in this debate than you did in the first round. Most importantly, you slowed down just a touch, and it did wonders for the coherence of your argument.

    Still, you have to watch your time limits. They were not as severe as they were in the first round, but you are still going over.

    Your biggest strength continued to be the ability to respond to your opponents argument and set the terms of the debate in your favor. Pointing out the lack of alternative was crucial, and was executed very well.

    The decision is for the Opposition: Sam Burns

    Reason for Decision:

    The proposition never countered the coherent conclusion made by the opposition that he was advocating for complete abolition and thus, utter chaos.

    For that reason, there was no choice but to vote for the opposition.

    Individual criticisms have been noted in your personal sections. Thank you!


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    Hank this was a fun round! And Frank, thanks so much for judging. I appreciate your comments and I'll keep trying to improve. - Sam Burns on April 26, 2015 at 08:07PM EST

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