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Proposition: Tania Rahman (Binghamton University) vs. Opposition: Bobby Good (Pay Ashley Back Program)

Judge: Dan Schatz (Unaffiliated)

Resolution: This house believes that prisons should be abolished

  • Tania Rahman
    Tania Rahman
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    Bobby Good
    Bobby Good
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    Posted at April 21, 2015 10:23:32AM EST by Joe Leeson-Schatz

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    Posted at April 22, 2015 05:11:07PM EST by Joe Leeson-Schatz

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    Posted at April 23, 2015 02:45:34AM EST by Tania Rahman

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    Posted at April 23, 2015 08:08:02PM EST by Bobby Good

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    http://www.theguardian.com/law/2012/jul/07/longer-prison-sentences-cut-crime

    http://globalresearch.ca/articles/EVA110A.html

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/profit-driven-prison-industrial-complex-the-economics-of-incarceration-in-the-usa/29109

    http://www.un.org/press/en/2003/sc7908.doc.htm

    Jedediah Royal, Director of Cooperative Threat Reduction at the U.S. Department of Defense, 2010, Economic Integration, Economic Signaling and the Problem of Economic Crises, in Economics of War and Peace: Economic, Legal and Political Perspectives, ed. Goldsmith and Brauer, p. 213-214

    Posted at April 24, 2015 11:04:30PM EST by Tania Rahman

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    Submitted at April 26, 2015 09:44:17PM EST by Dan Schatz

    Category Tania Rahman Bobby Good
    Use of evidence: 3.6 4.6
    Delivery skill: 5 3.5
    Coherence of arguments: 5.5 4
    Responsiveness to opponent: 4.8 3.5
    Identification of key points: 4.6 4.7
    Comments: You have a great speaking voice, one in which conveys information but also one that puts it in a story. I think you did a good job grouping his arguments, as he tried to spread you, and keeping it at your speed. I think you missed some opportunities and nearly lost the debate as you did not address the framework argument of utilitarianism so is thus conceded, which does very much mitigate the moral issues you bring up. I do think you did just enough to win the economic debate though, although I would like to see much more detail on both sides. Ultimately, you mention how slowly eliminating prisons will not lead to this economic decline and also mention how the prisons cost money to keep open as well as more workers in the workforce, luckily he did not address this and just extended his impact without having a good link or answer to your points. Finally, you missed some opportunities to give automatic voters. He mentions how you hurt his education by being vague and that he only has one speech to respond... yet he copied and pasted his first speech and then withdraws information? He also had a counterpoint that he drops. If anyone is moving it is him and you let him get away with that. I like your use of evidence and the fact that you tried to expand the debate into economics and the impact behind that. I also appreciate the setting a framework of utilitarian, which as you pointed out went untouched and thus granted. You are lucky that she didn't pick up on the fact that if anyone is a moving target its you (actually retracted part of your first speech, dropped your counter argument) and "hurt education" when you copied your first speech, and that you "only have one speech to respond"... I usually wouldn't vote on these issue but I would have in this case, luckily she did not bring it up. That being said and granted the utilitarian argument I do not think you did enough to provide a strong link to her case leading to economic decline. The Jedediah source is non-specific and uses a lot of "maybes" and "could" lead to an opening for power struggles. I think that she grouped your argument and pointed out how her slow reduction in prison would avoid the impacts, that prisons cost a lot of money to keep open, and more people into the workforce. I don't think you addressed these completely, or at all, but rather held on to big companies would fail. In my opinion both sides are pretty vague, not necessarily a fault for either of you but the total mins and number of speeches. If you are going economics, which was the voting point, make sure you make a clear story and address the points she is making.

    The decision is for the Proposition: Tania Rahman

    Reason for Decision:

    Ultimately I vote proposition. The utilitarian framework is conceited which did not help proposition's side and in the future make sure to address framework. So I voted on the economic issues. On proposition side prisons cost money, people are held from the work force, and plan slowly reduces prisons which would avoid economic collapse of these large companies. Opposition tried to extend that complete removal of prisons leads to collapse of large companies which leads to economic collapse, war and starvation. While opposition did a good job setting framework and impacting the economy the link and the rebuttal to the propositions points was lacking and did not do enough for me to prove the plan would lead to the economy collapsing.


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    Hi, how did she win on abolishing prisons slowly will solve for econ collapse when no warrant or process was given that explained why solving slowly would solve while conceding theory? - Bobby Good on April 26, 2015 at 10:22PM EST

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