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Proposition: Illiah Pfau (Wood River High School) vs. Opposition: Hunter Atherton (Winston Churchill High School)

Judge: Jesse Smith (Binghamton University)

Resolution: This house believes that prisons should be abolished

  • Illiah Pfau
    Illiah Pfau
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    Hunter Atherton
    Hunter Atherton
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    Posted at April 20, 2015 10:44:01PM EST by Illiah Pfau

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    Posted at April 21, 2015 10:40:06PM EST by Hunter Atherton

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    Posted at April 22, 2015 07:10:16PM EST by Illiah Pfau

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    Posted at April 23, 2015 08:35:17PM EST by Hunter Atherton

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    Posted at April 25, 2015 01:22:32AM EST by Illiah Pfau

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    Submitted at April 26, 2015 02:13:33AM EST by Jesse Smith

    Category Illiah Pfau Hunter Atherton
    Use of evidence: 4.2 4.2
    Delivery skill: 4.5 4.5
    Coherence of arguments: 3.8 4.3
    Responsiveness to opponent: 5 5
    Identification of key points: 5 5
    Comments: Illiah- I think that your proposition plan was very clever, I particularly liked your definition and how you used it throughout the debate. I thought that your delivery was very good and overall I thought you debated well

    Advice- First I think you need to be clearer/more specific about exactly what your plan is and why it is better than any reform. This is particularly true when you are trying to walk the line in terms of not being a total removal of the prison system and saying that you also do the good things that she claims prison reform can do. At the end of the debate I'm not sure exactly what you do, nor am I sure why abolition is better than reform so it becomes easier to vote on the counter plan

    My other big piece of advice is to be sure to very clearly extend arguments from one speech to the next,you have a lot of good arguments in each individual speech, but there isnt a really clear narrative. I think you would have been in very good shape if each speech you had very clearly extended your advantages and explained them in the context of the evidence you read in the first speech. I felt that you got a bit sidetracked
    Hunter-I thought you have very good evidence for the debate I thought your first speech made good clear arguments I particularly liked the prison abolition is utopian argument. I also thought your delivery was strong

    Advice- I think you should have read a definition in the first speech, while I think youre probably right, the rebuttal is too late to make that argument.I think the definition could have replaced the affluenza argument because I wasnt sure what the purpose of the argument was, and it wasnt in your later speeches. Also, I think your best bet when you dont read a definition in the first speech is not to read a definition in the rebuttal but rather to simply use the arguments you already had. I felt like the biggest weakness you had in this debate was that a lot of the good early arguments weren't in your last speech because you had to take time making the new definitions up.

    Be sure to use the warrants you're reading in the first speech, I thought you had a lot of good arguments that if extended better could have made this a cleaner win

    The decision is for the Opposition: Hunter Atherton

    Reason for Decision:

    This debate was difficult for me to decide, I felt that it was very close, particularly because both sides struggled with having a consistent narrative through out each speech. I think if either side could have won this debate cleanly with a bit more organization. That said, I thought the debate was really good,I enjoyed it and I think both of you are very strong debaters.


    I voted for the opposition in this round. The short version is that I think that the proposition does not have any reasons why the counter plan of reform cannot solve for recidivism and help with income inequality. Furthermore I think that the proposition abolition of the prison system will ultimately result in further income inequality.
    I don t think the proposition really ever handles this argument as I understand it. The opposition gives the example of how prison could potentially serve as an area to get GEDs and generally help with education which could help poorer inmates break the cycle. They even say that longer sentences have been proven to help recidivism rates at one point While Im not sure if I buy this argument entirely, I think when the affirmative doesn't really have a reason to vote against the counterplan it makes my decision easier


    Other Issues- I let the affirmative have their definition of prison abolition, I think the negative was too late in reading a definition even if I agree that abolition probably needs to go further. However, I think this becomes an issue for the proposition because by the end of the debate Im not clear why exactly abolition is better than reform, you spend a lot of time, telling me that you are not the utopian abolition the opposition criticizes but not enough time explaining why your form of abolition is better than reform, or why abolition in general is better. Im not entirely clear what the affirmative does at the end of the debate which makes it easy to vote negative.

    Good Luck in future rounds


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