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Proposition: Daniel Grafman (Unaffiliated) vs. Opposition: yosup kim (NEI Education)

Judge: Josh Cangelosi (San Diego Christian College)

Resolution: Resolved: This house believes that being a vegetarian is a better ethical choice than meat eating.

  • Daniel Grafman
    Daniel Grafman
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    yosup kim
    yosup kim
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    Posted at October 7, 2014 10:08:55AM EST by Joe Leeson-Schatz

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    Posted at October 8, 2014 12:39:15AM EST by yosup kim

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    Posted at October 9, 2014 12:40:19AM EST by Daniel Grafman

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    Posted at October 10, 2014 02:17:21AM EST by yosup kim

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    Posted at October 10, 2014 01:43:30PM EST by Daniel Grafman

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    Submitted at October 11, 2014 12:59:55AM EST by Josh Cangelosi

    Category Daniel Grafman yosup kim
    Use of evidence: 5 1.5
    Delivery skill: 6 1.5
    Coherence of arguments: 6 2
    Responsiveness to opponent: 4.5 4.5
    Identification of key points: 4 4
    Comments: This is a tough round to judge because the Prop is the much more articulate and persuasive speaker, but the Opp puts forward a few key arguments that get dropped (namely, bees). In second speech, Prop does a nice job pointing out the flawed logic in first Opp speech. In general, Opp needs to work on the delivery of his arguments. Try to deliver arguments more articulately. Also, second Opp video is very dark. Check video before you post it. In general, both sides need to do much more to weigh out all the arguments in the end. Since neither side weighs out the arguments, I have to do so, so dont get mad if you dont like the way I weigh thingsnever leave it to the judges score cards, or the decision might not go the way you like. This is a tough round to judge because the Prop is the much more articulate and persuasive speaker, but the Opp puts forward a few key arguments that get dropped (namely, bees). In second speech, Prop does a nice job pointing out the flawed logic in first Opp speech. In general, Opp needs to work on the delivery of his arguments. Try to deliver arguments more articulately. Also, second Opp video is very dark. Check video before you post it. In general, both sides need to do much more to weigh out all the arguments in the end. Since neither side weighs out the arguments, I have to do so, so dont get mad if you dont like the way I weigh thingsnever leave it to the judges score cards, or the decision might not go the way you like.

    The decision is for the Opposition: yosup kim

    Reason for Decision:

    Everyone agrees that I should weigh the round by determining if being a vegetarian is in the interest of animals, humans, and the world (seeing as how Opp's definition of "ethical" goes uncontested).

    Here are some of the main arguments:

    Prop
    1. Killing animals bad / animal cruelty bad (Opp could respond here but never contests the animal death and cruelty from meat industry in the status quo).
    2. Cattle methane hurts ozone / trucks yield CO2 (but Prop never impacts out these arguments)
    3. Diabetes and obesity (but Opp mitigates this point by questioning causality)
    4. Save money by being a veg

    Opp
    1. Agricultural farms will destroy animal habitats (but Prop says farms are planted where there are no trees).
    2. Not all children will want to take supplements (but Prop says that parents can get kids to take pills).
    3. Environment: there will be a lack of crops for animals if we all go veggy, so animals will die (this argument doesn't make any sense, but Prop never responds). And there are the arguments that animals will die from some predators, and bees will die, resulting in extinction on Earth (dropped also).

    So in the end, since neither side weighs out the arguments, I have animals dying and being treated inhumanely in the status quo, but I also have animals dying after we go veggy because (as Opp asserts) there will not be crops for them to graze on and predators will attack them. But Prop does say that it's better to be free and then die in wild than be tortured and captive and then die. So Prop gets the better of this exchange.

    Then, I have CO2 and methane in status quo versus extinction from dying bees as a result of increased pesticide use if we all take on the life of vegetarianism that Prop advocates. Obviously, the impact of extinction outweighs the lack of specified impacts of CO2 and methane.

    Finally, I have the saved money from vegetarianism.

    But in the end, extinction from dying bees outweighs everything else in the round. Granted, the argument about bees could have been better developed and better supported, but it goes completely dropped, so I have to weigh it. So even though Prop does the much better speaking and debating overall, I have to give the win to the Opp after weighing all the arguments. The moral of the story for the Prop is not to drop terminal impacts that outweigh everything else in the round. The bee argument could have been easily contested since it was not very well developed, but unfortunately it wasn't. In any case, I hope the high speaks will be some consolation to the Prop, who was the much better speaker.


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